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woman: this is "bbc world news." is made possible by... the freeman foundation; by judy and peter blum-kovler foundation, pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs; and by contributions to this pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. ros: hello, i'm ros kins.
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welcome to "outside source." boris johnson calls time on the u.s. nuclear deal with iran, saying it could be replaced by something else. jon: anthony: if we are going to get rid of it anthony: -- prime min. johnson: if we are going to get rid of it, let's replace it with the trump deal. ros: iran coinues to step back from 2015 commitments. australia looks closely at the congress media and how it covers qualifies. now rurt murdoch's son james accuses part of his family's mighty news corp. of denying climate change. taiwanese president tsai says china needs to face reality. pres. tsai: gary stein message from the people of taiwan, they don't--very strong message from the people of taiwan, they don't time.threatened all the ros: justin trudeau talks about how security might work when
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harry and meghan start splitting their time between the u.k. and canada. ros: ever since the u.s. walked away from the nuclear deal, the eu stood firm, until the day. france, germany, and britain have triggeredsp a formal e process because they say iran has violated the deal. here is a tweet from the eu foreign policy chief is saying "i have received the letter. ilwenow oversee the process which requires intense efforts and approach. preserving the nuclel is now important than ever." maybe so, but it is harder than ever, too. the process could end up with the return of eu sanctions on iran. >> the objective is therefore to
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find solutions and return to full compliance within the framework of thi agreement. let me say this clearly -sothe dispute tion mechanism which is going to be triggered now isot about re-imposing sanctions. ros: so the message from the eu remains in part conciliatory. not for the same can be said of boris johnson. prime min. johnson: the problem of the agreement is, fm the americ perspective, it is a flawed agreement, it expires, plus it wanegotiated by president obama. their point of view it has many faults. etwell, if we are going toid of it, let's replace it, and let's replace it with the tru deal. that's what we need to see. that would be a great way forward. president trump is a great deal by his own account and many others.t' 'work together to replace
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the jcpoa and get the trump deal instead. ros: iran does not dispute that in part it hasla vd this agreement since the u.s. walked away in 2018. bk to january 5, iranian state tv said iran wou continue its nuclear enrichment with no limitations, and given the fact that the entire process is designed to stop iran from having a nucar weapon, that has caused concern. here we have " the guardian" newspaper reporting that iran could be less than a year away from possessing the capacity to build a bomb, although we cannot be definitive about that. this concern wl not go away. re is the german foreign minister earlier today. >> we call on iran to constructively participate in these notiations, the goal of which will be to safeguard the nuclear deal. we believet makes sense to save the nuclear deal for the future because it prevents iran from getting a nuclear bomb. ros: in the past couple of hours
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iran's foreign minister has responded, calling this decision a strategic mistake. he said the dispute mechanism itself is not as legallyss base obama was powerful to hear isnt the moment back in 2015. k., france, china, russia, as well as ir and the u that moment feels some way off now. let's go to lyse doucet, the bbc's chief international correspondent. lyse: i wasth there a moment. the crackle of electricity in the room, the diplomacy, multilateral diplomacy after talks, haainstaking finally succeeded. look at the expressions on their faces. noit is hanging by a thread. ros: and the amount of effort that went into that deal helps us understandhe angst these e3 feel about triggering the mechanism. hours of negotiation, and they
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brought scientists to dealith this as well. iranian and american scientistss bethey knew this had to be a deal which was watertight. are compromises, because that is the nature of a deal. both sides have to get it but of course predent trump's adnistration has empcisized the decies of the deal rather than the strengths of the deal. it is interesting listening to boris johnson's comments, because the fact that he said, oh,t is a deal done by president obama, which is one of the main reasons president trump doesn't liket. president trump from the beginning said "i will do a better deal." many ask how long will that take come and can you really do a better deal, a is there a better deal to be done? ros: what is boris johnson talking about? what i in a trump deal versus what is in the obama deal? lyse: this has come up time and again, last yearhen president trump kept saying to the armenians, best saying to the
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iranians and talk to me. javad zarif said we have a deal already, we're not interested in a photo op. rth korea got political capital p standing wisident trump for a photo op. it would backfire for iran. iran needs to know these will be serious and significant talks, and it has a condition it said that you need to lift the sanctions if you want us to come to the table. again this year the americans are saying come back to the negotiating table with no preconditions. ir has not budged on its condition yet. right now there is no trust in the system anyway. iran was looking to the europeans, and you heard javad zarif, they have been criticizing the europeans, saying you say you want to keep the deal live but you have not done enough. ros:annot see a great deal to be optimistic about. you know many of the aprotagonists people behind the scenes. are the feeling is
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pessimistic as that? lyse: iran is under multiple sources of pressure now. it is confrontingnyrises on so ronts. the aftermath of the downing of the ukrainian airliner, it intensify protests on the streets. now there was a blame game between the revolutionary guard corps and the leadership r of hasshani. you have the nuclear deal, whicc sing such hardship for iranians. and you have bs relating tensions following the killing of -- escalatgensions following the killing of customs of the money. it is a lot for -- killing of st some soleimani. it is a lot for any government. nhere is a bit of unpredictability a, but they are not going to throw away the system to keep any of this. ros: lyse doucet, thank you very much indeed. get updates on all the story she covers via twitter. u.k. scientists say that bushfires in australia may be a warning on what is to come in
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the world. scientists ward that if the planet warms by three degrees levels by the end of the centric in these kinds of fires will be far more common everywhere. david shukman has been looking into it. david: day after day, fire crews brave the front lines in ati crisis that isll escalating many of the blazes are out of control and beyond anyone's experience them in 21 years this is the worst i' seen. rd makes it very o especially when you have got family and cmitments and all the rest of it. david: in a town in victoria, a ghostly scene. cars burned and gray with ash record he has made fires more severe than usual, something that had been predicted. >> climate scientists knew this was going to happen at some point, whether it was now ir 10
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years from now. we were going to get this perfect storm and it was going to be pretty horrible. a we dodgellet a couple years ago. but it was eventually going to vid: thiseems to be part of a pattern. a n study of wildfires around the world from the amazon rainforesto california says human activity is raising temperatures and having to the threat, includg ine eurd many other regions. this was spain last year. the scientistse involved in research say the key now is to cut emissions of the gases that >> in terms of the urgency, it the sooner we can rein in emis sions, the sooner we can slowly increase in warming. ros: david is here with me. these are shocking productions, but i feel like i have heard
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some of them before. what is new that we are learning about what will happen if temperatures increase that much? david: climate science, like many branches of science, advances in many small steps, and often you may feel you have heard this before. but there are little nuances nd what they have good news review all recent resh into wildfires, and one conclusion is of one fires is--wildfirereisl reduced in over recent decades. i can see it in your face there. abpr the main reason is more natural forest has hackedd, away and converted into farmland. there is less area for there to be a wildfire on. it seems a mechanical reason for that. but they have also found that as the temperature of the planet has ward, and this is the bit
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that won't surprise you, you get more combustible conditions. assuming there is vegetation to burn and other situations are as they woulde to encourage a re to start, if it is hotter and drier, which you will get becomes more likelg, then a fire all. processing it the b audiences team last week, they said the amount of interest in australias extraordinary, exceeding almost any other store in the world at the moment. i wonder if people in the climate-gns world have noticed that the world is perhaps tuning and in a way thatt has not always done previously. david: i think they are. yother have a western advanced democracy apparently living in quite fragile conditions. if you think about much of the australian dream is to live in a suburban houseperhaps in woodland, on the edge of a city in stunning scenery.
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soderling you start to see the dark side of the--suddenly you start to see the dark side of that, the flipside of that. what this study does, and a lot of this recent research phasizes the absolute critical importance of preparing as well you can for the kinds of conditions that are going to become more likely in the future. in other words, more of this is if youan on creating fiber grades. the more that can be done, the more citizens can be prepared to evacuate, all of the cans of things, roads can be cleared, will adapt the what could be a new situation. the climate scientists are very clear that they afflicted wildfires around the world and each situation--have looked at ndldfires around the world each situation is different, but one threat unites them all -- hotter, dry conditions makes fires more likely. ros: david shukman, the bbc's
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science editor. eet's continue to talk about bushfires.the australian media g part of the story. rupert murdoch's news corp. dominates the australian media ndscape. critics say mr. murdock's australian newspapers and co networks havinued to publish and give air to stories and opinionhat dismisses widely accepted science about climate change from which mas this daily beast story very interesting. rupert mdoch's son james murdoch sits on the new scoreboard. a spokesman for him and his wife told the daily beast, "catherine and james's views on, change is well-established and their frustration with the newsp. c coverage is well known. they are particularlysa ointed with the ongoing denial among news outlets in australia given the evidence to the contrary." strong stuff. sometimes an issue of emphasis. here we have the australian
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newspaper on the day that australia it is highest everat average tempe. it is owned by rupert murdoch. it chose to lead the day with a story on coal exports. other times things are more explicit. we know australia's climate has been getting warmer over the past century. meteorologists, as david has just been telling us, say a hotter, drier climate increases the risk of bushfire seasons being longer and more intense. you find examples in the murdoch media questioning that. in november, a news corp. columnist said "hysterical efforts to blame fires on clim though we have always face the threat and always will." there is another news corp. columnist speaking on his own program on the murdoch-owned sky news australia. >> the global warming hystia right now is insane. once again, i heard not a sougle
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voice of on the national broadcast this mning that this drought is nocaused by obal warming, nor are the bushfires, nor will it help at all with bushfires to cut our emissions. veinstead, we oliticians who should know better out there feeding the fear and misinformation. ros: the us joy pushback and its critics, tweeting "our stories and editorial commentary have been willfully and ineptly srepresented as, denial." lathuage is familiar. here is rupert murdoch site "a climate change skeptic, not a denier," he goes on to warn alarmist nonsense. call it whatever you would like to, but what we can be sure of is that commentors seeking to distance these fires from climate change are given space, and climate scientists are there and saying that climate change
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and the weather brings does increase the risk of extreme bushfires. another important thing to note --whatever conclusions are drawn from the bushfires have political consequenrs, not least australia's enormous coal industry. the prime minister turned to this speaking to bbc news over the weekend. prime m. morrison: we wilns reduce emissven further shutting down traditional industries upon whira regional auans depend for their livelihood. ros: this matter may be taken out of the hands of politicianse and fossil-fuel industry itself. blackrock, the world's largest fund manager can is dumping more hethan half $1 billion inal coal shares, one of our acimve stance on e change. its chief executive is sending a letter to the world's largest
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companies, "climate change is a defining factor in companies' long-term prospects. we do not believe the economic rationale justifies continued investme" in this secto that may be, but the coal industry maintains his support of scottn morri and passionate support of high-profile commentators on rupert murdoch's ge bill. we will hear from justin trudeau,ha because canad questions to answer about how harry and meghan's new ngarents of splitting time between the u.k. antenna that may work, in particular on the issue of security. at least 80 people have been killed in pakistan after series of avalanches and landslides. be efforts are ongoing in pakistani -- rescue efforts are ongoing in pakistani-administered kashmir. secunder: there have been high
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levels of rain and snowfall dross pakistan in recents. dozens of people were killed in pakistan-administered kashmir. news of how serious a disaster it was has only been emerging today. rescue efforts are ongoing, wit a number of thinjured having to be flown via helicopteorthe hospitalreatment. there have been deaths and injuries in other parts of the country, too. across the border in afghanistan, authorities say that 39 people have died in similar incidents. today in most places in pakistan, the weather has improved, but many of the worst affected areas remain cut off. ros: i am ros atkins with "outside source." our leadpe story, eu powers
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have raised a formal disputts with iran ov decision to enrich more uranium, the nuclear deal may be headed for class. ssories from bbc world the impeachment tf president donald trump is likely to begin next tuesday. usthey speaker of the of representatives, nancy pelosi, says the next step will be tomorrow when democts will send the articles of impeachment to the senate. n there has b large explosion and a petrochemical plant in a spanish city was tting off huge fires. at least one person has died and four are suffering serious burns. it is believed to be a chemical accident. local residents are being told to stay indoors. i want's new -- taiwan's newly reelected president has given an exclusive interview to the bbc. tsai ing-wen says china needs to face reality and respect the all smiles, as you expect,ai but tsng-wen won a landslide
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victory. she won by asserting taiwan'smy autond rejecting closer ties with china. the history behind this is that ever since the end of the chinese civil war in 1949, beijing has considered time on the part of - taiwan toof be pat hina and says it has to be reunited if necessary by force. president tsai has been speaking to the bbc's china correspondent john sudworth. john: d hyou expect beijing to react to your victory? pres. tsai: they should have a serious response to people's expectations as expressed by the election result. this is a very strong message from the people of taiwan. they don't like the idea of being fat and all the te-- threatened all the time. we are a successful democracy. we deserve
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results about your hoped hat there co a return to dialogue. what can you offer beijing that might, in your view, open that door a little? john: -- pres. tsai: i think it is for the chinese to have this preparedness to face reality, that is the key. if they are not prepared to face reality, whatever we offer, it won't be satisfying to them. john: why do you think china was such an issue for voters? pres. tsai:r because oe last more than three years, we are seeing that china has been intensifying its threat. they have also the actions--all sorts of actions, military
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exercises. they have military vessels, aircraft cruising around the land, and also with things happening in hong kong, people get a real sense that this threat israel an- thre-- threat is real and is getting more serious. without an expression o good faith on your side -- and this is what your critics say, in aay you are inviting china to react the way it is. pres. tsai i have a rather reasonable in terms of managing our relation with china. we have friends doingat things eonsidered as provocative to china. there is so much pressure here that we should go further. but in the last more than ree years, we have been telling china that maintaining the status quo remains to be our thk that is a very friendly
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john: are you in principle at least in favor of the idea of formal taiwanese indepprdence? . tsai: we don't have a need to declare ourselves independent. we are an independent country already, and we callicurselves repuf china, taiwan, and we have the military and elections. john: you have spoken about the rising threat of china. how serious, in yourth view, is risk of war today? pres. tsai: you cannot exclude the possibility of aar at any time, but the thing is, you havy to grself prepared and develop the ability to defend yourself. but in addition to this milary
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preparedness, what is more important is that you have to get international support for your cause. :jo do you believe you would be able to stand up t military action? pres. tsai: i do think we have a pret decent capabilit here. invading taiwan is something that is going to be very costly for china. ros: now, we have heard om justin trudeau about howhings may work when harry and meghan, the duke and duchess of sussex, start splitting their time between the u.k. and canada. decisions will become what the dispositions are, those are desions for them. st canadiansre very supportive of having royals be here, but how that works and what kind of cost is involved, there is lotcuof dions to have. ros: security is one of the more tricky issues. trudeau says discussions are ongoing.
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here's a story in "the tes" reporting that police in the u.k.relready struggling to deal with increasing security needs for the royal family as a whole. one chief says that harry and meghan have not thought through the implications of their move, something they would push back at. here is the analysis o o royal commentator. royal family.gest cast of the no one knows exactly, but will and thf bounds0 million pounds a year. if they are going to spend a large amount of time abroad in canada and the uniteden states, bviously it is going to be more expensive. ros:hat ends this edition of "outside source." thank you for watching. i will see you in half an hour on "bbc world news." announcer: funding for th presentation isade possible by... the freeman foundation; byand peter um-kovler foundation,
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